Looking at this tomorrow.

"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
07/01/2016 at 23:29 • Filed to: None

The search continues.

DISCUSSION (24)

E90M3 > My citroen won't start
07/01/2016 at 23:42

How much do those cost there?

Jack Does Cars > My citroen won't start
07/01/2016 at 23:45

1. Armored?

2. Manual?

Nibby > My citroen won't start
07/01/2016 at 23:45

Do you have twice the amount they’re asking for? It’ll come in handy

My citroen won't start > E90M3
07/01/2016 at 23:55

Around 19k

My citroen won't start > Nibby
07/01/2016 at 23:55

No....

My citroen won't start > Jack Does Cars
07/01/2016 at 23:55

1.Yes

2. No

Nibby > My citroen won't start
07/01/2016 at 23:59

Maintenance on that thing will SUCK, just warning :)

My citroen won't start > Nibby
07/02/2016 at 00:01

I’m counting on the 24k miles thing to help with the maintenance, but it can’t be worse than the maintenance for the Range Rover.

E90M3 > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 00:02

What yeah is that?

My citroen won't start > E90M3
07/02/2016 at 00:03

2005/06 Yeahs

E90M3 > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 00:06

So probably 1.5-2x what it’d be in the US, I was wondering

My citroen won't start > E90M3
07/02/2016 at 00:10

Yeah, most things here are about double what they cost in the US.

Jack Does Cars > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 00:12

The shifter was giving me Manual Vibes, that’s why I asked. And armoring is necessary for sure.

Spasoje > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 00:38

Maintenance is pretty bad – my friend has an identical one. The facelift E53 got the E65's brand new 4.4L V8, which has all the problems and costs you’d expect a first-run BMW engine to have. He frequently wants to sell it, but only decides not to b/c he’s way too attached to the thing.

If it’s any consolation, his car has about 150k kms on it. But still, beware...

AM3R shamefully returns > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 00:42

The E53 facelifted is my favorite X5. Go for it!! The 3.0 is fairly reliable.

My citroen won't start > AM3R shamefully returns
07/02/2016 at 00:47

Well, that one has the 4.4, I really wanted the 4.8 Sport, but those are hard to find.

My citroen won't start > Spasoje
07/02/2016 at 00:58

Any prominent problems?

Swayze Train GTi > AM3R shamefully returns
07/02/2016 at 01:20

It’s also incredibly slow

Parth985 > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 06:06

My best friend has this car in imola red with the 4.4 everything is broken and malfunctioning and it extremely expensive to keep running this a a great looking car but pretty garbage when it comes to reliabilty.. I would suggest to stay away nothing good has ever come out of a 4.4 x5 is gonna break just a matter of when

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 07:15

I had a 4.8 Sport. It was a blast to drive, but the most unreliable and badly put-together car I've ever owned.

Spasoje > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 19:08

At the moment, there’s a $5,000 repair pending involving getting at some cheap parts near the bottom of the engine so they don’t do more damage (i.e. most of that figure is in the labor). It’s such a common problem that one California shop recently made a special tool that makes it considerably easier to get at the part. Even with that tool, though, he was quoted $2,500... He says it also consumes oil, and the transmission makes hard shifts almost every time the car’s driven.

He mentioned the car has cost him $7k in maintenance (i.e. not including the above) since buying it in late 2014.

If you’re serious about buying that X5, I can ask him for a more specific breakdown (no pun intended) of everything. Just let me know.

My citroen won't start > Spasoje
07/02/2016 at 21:04

I’m really relying on the mileage and cosmetic condition here, the car looked spotless and drove perfect, 45k km isn’t much if you consider how old the car is.

I’m probably going to buy it. If the Range Rover Sport I’m checking tomorrow is no good, I’m definitely buying it.

Spasoje > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 22:11

You could be right. Not sure at what mileage they start to need huge repairs, but 45k isn’t much even for newer cars. If nothing else, my friend’s car can serve as a crystal ball for when this one hits six-figure mileage...

On the bright side, that engine note is intoxicating, and the steering is nicely weighted. I had fun when I drove it.

I’ll send you what he says as soon as I hear back.

Spasoje > My citroen won't start
07/02/2016 at 22:38

My friend answered – in short, it’s the labor that kills you.

All the expensive engine problems he’s had were down to plastic or rubber seals that begin to leak over time (so mileage isn’t too much a factor in that, unfortunately). In that $5k repair I mentioned, $100 of that is parts!

The one thing that the low mileage could save you from are the hard transmission shifts – accelerate and it feels like a giant kicked the back of the car as it downshifts!

Modern automatics (at least w/ luxury cars) are often ‘learning’ transmissions, meaning they adapt their shifting style to how you drive it. My friend tried a s/w reflash, and it seemed to take away the hard shifts for the most part. However, the next step would be to replace some rubber chassis mounts/bushings, which are – you guessed it – hard to get to, making the repair expensive...

Anyway, a good independent BMW shop is an asset. However, I’d wager Brazilian labor rates are noticeably lower than in the US/Canada, which could be your saving grace in this case.

Either way, good luck and let me know what happens!